Palin's church

[howdy ya'll]

I read that Palin's church wants to convert gays.......is that the silliest thing to pick on? Where is the issue and please someone tell me of a church that does not wish to convert anyone that goes against what they believe......even churches of the dark side wants to convert the light side........ya know?

[sparky-4]

every church wants to convert people to something, otherwise why have one?

[WakeUpSheeple]

You might think it silly but McCainians are always quick to bring up Obama's preacher and the things he had said. I say, whats good for the goose.....
First off, how do you convert a sick person well? They think, sickness.
Secondly, I do not want my prez or vp thinking we are fighting a holy war!
Thirdly, I don't think it is God's will to build a pipeline either. I don't think she has actually said that one yet but wouldn't be suprised.

Speaking in tongues-- they did that in her church
Believe the end times are near. Even if it they were, I'd want my leaders planning for the future not the end. Just in case their wrong .

Here's the kicker----
Her church preaches that suicide bombers are sent by God to kill innocent woman and children to punish the Jews for not converting to Christianity.
What, they can dish it out but not take it ? They'd rather cry media bias.

You make preachers an issue, guess what, don't be suprised when it comes back to bite you. Now you tell me church upbringing doesn't matter.
I know a few Jewish people who might be interested in those teachings.

[howdy ya'll]

It sounds like you are getting the 2 different churches confused that Palin has belonged to. The first one was when she was a child, the one her parents chose to go to and she left to go to another one.

It also sounds like you are referring to Obama in a lot of what you are saying. Dish it out, but cant handle when it is dished back.......who is really playing the crying card when it comes to politics.

PLUS!!!!!!! I am not really worried at what church our Pres or VP attends, as long as they dont damn America and pledge their allegiance to America and not another nation or a terrorist loving church.

Those are the facts here, not converting gays......like I said, dishing it out, Obama cant handle the dishing out of the facts on his church so he is trying his hardest to make people think Palins church is just as evil, aint workn

[WakeUpSheeple]

That was her upbringing, as I said. No confusion at all, And she changed to the community church right before she decided to run for office. Sounds real convenient.
To say it doest matter is silly because small children can be very impressionable. Spoke in tongues early church.
All the rest, from her current church. With video of her sitting there, front and center while her church damns the Jews.
The crying card definitely goes to McCain.
I know I'm not changing your mind. I read a lot of both sides, left and right so I know where you are coming from. Lots of smear but very little fact. McCain's latest commercials are right out of Bush's play book. How many times have you heard Bush say the best defense is a good offense (often offensive).
Were you around in 2000 when Bush's own attack ad's knocked McCain out of their primaries. Would you vote for a man if you knew he was the father of an illegitimate black child, ring any bells? It should, despicable. Later proven to be outlandish, but to late for McCain to have a chance. He adopted her not father her. These same people are running his campaign now. Has McCain sold his sole? They trashed his young daughter, he drops out of the race, then endorses Bush. Then hires them for is own campaign.

[howdy ya'll]

Playing the crying card, attack the kid and they will drop out. that is exactly what Obama did to Palin, isn't it.

The card goes both ways. In this case Obama can cry any card. Empty words, I have not heard any realistic solutions, just words. Having tea with the terrorist is foolish.

How do you think he is going to convince congress to raise taxes and take money from the ones who earned it thru education and hard work and the desire to make, earn and save money to give to the poor just because it is 'neighborly'. Obama is foolish into thinking that will help America. That alone will finish America off.

Lets get to the real issues. The war, the soldiers, welfare, taxes, health care.

Some people cry 'change'. Honestly, his change is not what the Americans are really after.

Attacking Palins church is just one way Obama can get the people to forget his 20 year membership in his non American, segregated church.

[rusty1955]

I have kept my mouth shut long enough so get ready folks!

One wonders: What did Sarah Palin ever do to inspire the rage and bile that exploded on her selection by John McCain? What is there either in this woman's record or resume to elicit such feline ferocity? What did we know of her when she was introduced?

That she was a mother of five who had brought into this world a baby boy with Down syndrome, thus living her Christian beliefs. That she was a small-town conservative who had risen from mayor of Wasilla (Pop. 9,700) to be governor of a state twice the size of Texas.

That she was a reformer who had dethroned an Old Boys' Network by dumping a sitting Republican governor. That she had taken on Big Oil, taxed the companies and returned the money in $1,200 checks to every citizen of Alaska. And that she had cut a deal with Canada to build a pipeline to bring natural gas to her fellow Americans.

And, oh, yes. She was "Sarah Barracuda" -- a fierce high school athlete, a runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant, a Feminist for Life and lifetime member of the NRA. Introduced by McCain, she praised Hillary Clinton and pledged to finish her work by smashing through the glass ceiling in which Hillary had made 18 million cracks.

What, in any or all of this, is there to justify the feral attacks within minutes of her introduction? What had she done to cause this outburst? Answer: absolutely nothing.

No. Sarah Palin is not resented for what she has done, but for who she is: a Christian conservative who believes unborn children are gifts of God, even those with birth defects, and have a God-given right to life.

Normally, the press is reluctant to rummage into the private lives of public servants, unless their conduct affects their duties or they preach virtues they hypocritically do not practice.

Yet, no sooner was Palin introduced, than the media went berserk over the news that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. As one in three births in America is out-of-wedlock and Hollywood celebrates this lifestyle, why did The New York Times and The Washington Post splash this "news" on page one above the fold?

How does Bristol Palin's pregnancy disqualify Sarah Palin to be vice president? Why is it even relevant? They did it because they thought it would damage Sarah Palin in the eyes of a Christian community they do not comprehend.

So out of bounds was the media that Obama, in an act of decency, declared Palin's family off limits and reminded the media that he was himself born to a teenage single mom.

If one would wish to see the famous liberal double standard on naked display, consider.

Palin's daughter was fair game for a media that refused to look into reports that John Edwards, a Democratic candidate for president, was conducting an illicit affair with a woman said to be carrying his child and cheating on his faithful wife Elizabeth, who has incurable cancer. That was not a legitimate story, but Bristol Palin's pregnancy is?

Why did the selection of Sarah Palin cause a suspension of all standards and a near riot among a media that has been so in the tank for Barack even "Saturday Night Live" has satirized the infatuation?

Because she is one of us -- and he is one of them.

Barack and Michelle are affirmative action, Princeton, Columbia, Harvard Law. She is public schools and Idaho State. Barack was a Saul Alinsky social worker who rustled up food stamps. Sarah Palin kills her own food.

Michelle has a $300,000-a-year sinecure doing PR for a Chicago hospital. Todd Palin is a union steelworker who augments his income working vacations on the North Slope. Sarah has always been proud to be an American. Michelle was never proud of America -- until Barack started winning.

Barack has zero experience as an executive. Sarah ran her own fishing fleet, was mayor for six years and runs the largest state in the union. She belongs to a mainstream Christian church. Barack was, for 15 years, a parishioner at Trinity United and had his daughters baptized by Pastor Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons are saturated in black-power, anti-white racism and anti-Americanism.

Sarah is a rebel. Obama has been a go-along, get-along cog in the Daley Machine. She is Middle America. Barack, behind closed doors in San Francisco, mocked Middle Americans as folks left behind by the global economy who cling bitterly to their Bibles, bigotries and guns.

Barack has zero foreign policy experience. Palin runs a state that is home to anti-missile, missile and air defense bases facing the Far East, commands the Alaska National Guard and has a soldier-son heading for Iraq.

Barack, says the National Journal, has the most left-wing voting record in the Senate, besting Socialist Bernie Sanders. Palin's stances read as though they were lifted from Reagan's 1980 "no pale pastels" platform. And this is what this media firestorm is all about.

[howdy ya'll]

Ok rusty, and just why did you elect to read in silence? This is a community forum, a discussion between us all, please feel free to voice you opinion at any time. Discussions are always good, and should be between more than 2 people.lol:)

Thank you for your input. It was very informative and makes a lot of sense. I think sheeple would have to agree as well....maybe....:cool:

I enjoy discussing this with sheeple.:D

[WakeUpSheeple]

I can appreciate anyones opinion. I think I can answer a few of those questions (in my opinion). Do you think two weeks ago anybody, beside McCain and his insiders, thought this woman could be president.That is what the V.P. is supposed to be. Ready to step in , in a heartbeat or absence of one. I think most would answer no. We don't even know her. I have voted both tickets in the past and really hadn't fully decided on this one. I think she was the tipping point. There I am sitting on the fence, weighing pluses and minuses for each as they affected me and my family. I could dismiss a minus if I thought that particular candidate wasn't going to push to change that law (and have the ability to do so). Overturning Roe vs. Wade is a big one, and four more years of conservative judges being appointed may do it. Taking my gun rights is another but I never thought for a minute that Obama would or could go that far. Their are others. Anyway- on the fence and Obama picks Biden. I'm thinking, nice pick since the other side is screaming, no experience in foreign policy. He's no Hillary but not a big surprise either. Never thought she would except the #2 position anyway. Political pick, you bet, it strengthened his ticket. Then Palin is chosen for what appears to be nothing but a grab for Hillary voters. She wasn't even on the radar for possible picks to the average person. That completely turned me off. I mean how dare they do that to us. They knew we would be scrambling to find out more about her and they drizzled out little factoids and sequestered her. She should have hit every talk show right away. No, we have to dig on our own. Two weeks later she does her first interview. And none since.
So I join this place about that time. Feeling a little betrayed, do they think we are all stupid or just our wives. Either way, I resented it.
I log on and find comparisons of Obama and Hitler, and he's Muslim, he will sell us down the river, he'll tax us to the poor house. Taxes we can debate but how do you debate ridiculous accusations that have no basis. I have not learned how yet but I still felt the need to defend him and I wasn't even off the fence yet. I looked into several of the accusations and it was laughable to the kind of stuff I was reading, if it wasn't such a serious subject. The smearing brought back ugly memories of the things Bush did to get elected.
Politics is one thing, dirty politics to steal your vote is completely different.
But I thought McCain was above that but I was wrong. Dirty politics is not just reporting the dirt. Dirty politics is when you make it up then report it.
Or, say you approved this message and it's an obvious lie. That made me think that if McCain would say anything to get elected, maybe I didn't know him as well as I thought I did. So I dug. Man, to my surprise McCain has some big skeletons, too. And many are much more believable if he's not as Honorable as I thought.
Back to Palin and the media. Just depends on what channel you watch. Their all bias, some left, some right, always have been. They also are passionate people trying to get their points across and they have the means.
As for your fact sheet, it is very accurate if you believe everything the GOP tells you. You have to dig between the lines. They have proven to me they will tell half truths and lies, all day long, for our votes. You think she is snow white? I seriously dought that. Everything is spin by the time we get it handed to us. Now if you are a staunch Republican, I can understand you voting a straight ticket.
As far as Edwards,(print) media took him down. They were ready to release it when he backed out of the race, which is all they wanted anyway.( to bring him down) Out of the race, he became old news. But they released it anyway.Big surprise.Not.
As for babymama, babygrandmama, grand baby mama, I could care less, and you haven't heard a peep out of me on any of those kinds of issues. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were released by her own side them blame the Dems. If their is a fraud being committed, thats different.
As for your comparisons between Palin and Obama, is she running for president? Heck, I saw her debate against the sleezeball incumbents she beat, any one of us could have done that. (cspan) As for her experience, the town had to hire it's first administrator to take care of running things.
Jury is still out on whether she was forced to do so or not. Still checking.
By her own definition, McCain has no experience to be president, with his do nothing job for umpteen years. As for her popularity, that was before her own controversies started coming out.
As for what she did to deserve the scrutiny, duh.
This election has been going on for almost 2 years now and they slip in an enigma and pass out fact sheets and we are supposed to swallow it hook line and sinker. Not me.



WE ARE 50 DAYS away from electing our next President and Vice President.

[howdy ya'll]

Holy cow sheeple, it is going to take me all day to read your latest post. I am glad about your passion toward Obama, that is his goal. He is successful with his passion and inspirational speaking, and I will reply soon.

[WakeUpSheeple]

srry, fingers would not shut up
short enuff?

[howdy ya'll]

I am the first on to understand that the finger wont shut up.lol

[Tbar08]

Sometimes this one runs off at the "mouse".

[sparky-4]

You might think it silly but McCainians are always quick to bring up Obama's preacher and the things he had said. I say, whats good for the goose.....

Here's the kicker----
Her church preaches that suicide bombers are sent by God to kill innocent woman and children to punish the Jews for not converting to Christianity.
What, they can dish it out but not take it ? They'd rather cry media bias.

You make preachers an issue, guess what, don't be suprised when it comes back to bite you. Now you tell me church upbringing doesn't matter.
I know a few Jewish people who might be interested in those teachings.


I'm not voting for either major party this year, but I can't let you get away with that junk you posted without giving some reference.
And it better not be the www.hatepalin.com site you are getting this BS from.
you need to start backing these charges up with something besides air

[howdy ya'll]

This was sent to me this evening by a really good friend in Idaho. Let me know what you think........now, if you have heard something different, please let me know. I thought the interview in this format was interesting. If I find fault in this by tomorrow, I will be the first to admit to it and retract my post. I just thought I would share this.




This is just amazing. Take a look at what ABC carefully edited out of Palin's Interview with Charlie Gibson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

One comment below the article:

From the Professional Journalists Code of Ethics, how does this editing stack up?

* Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
* Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
* Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
* Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
* Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant
* Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
* Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

[WakeUpSheeple]

I'm not voting for either major party this year, but I can't let you get away with that junk you posted without giving some reference.
And it better not be the www.hatepalin.com site you are getting this BS from.
you need to start backing these charges up with something besides air



Not a problem. Aim to please. Undoubtedly bias news in some peoples estimation. This is only one of the sources, can provide more. You will hear from their mouths, straight out. No BS. In her church as stated. And he is welcome back .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqMCvq26d2M


And Howdy, I am intrigued to kind you posting ethics in something.
Followed dead link to nowhere............................
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have been to newsbusters before but it is a dead domain you posted, or maybe overloaded with hits. Will try again later.

[howdy ya'll]

Thanks for the insight on the link. I tried it when I posted it to see if it works, like I always do, but I will check it again.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview





You might have to copy and paste it, I really do not know how to post links other than copy and paste them into a post. Hope this one works.

[howdy ya'll]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-
out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview





I noticed that the link was really long and that may be the problem so I cut it in half so you can get the whole thing. If you are interested.

[sparky-4]

Not a problem. Aim to please. Undoubtedly bias news in some peoples estimation. This is only one of the sources, can provide more. You will hear from their mouths, straight out. No BS. In her church as stated. And he is welcome back .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqMCvq26d2M


I see Palin asking her church for prayer concerning her vision and God's plan for Alaska and for God's will for our troops in Iraq and I really don't see a problem there.
Asking for guidance from the Almighty might be a good thing for more of our politicians to do

As far as the Jewish story, the Bible, and I pretty much mean any Bible you pick up and read, no matter the translation says that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation. If you need me to reference that so you will understand, then we need to get back to square one here.
The Bible (God's inspired Word) condemns Jews and everyone else for that matter for rejecting God's Son. That is a fact.
That is a key factor in the Christian faith. If you have a problem with it, you'll have to take it up with God.

Now to what the speaker claimed to be judgment from God in the form of terror attacks, I'll just say, I myself would not come out and say that.
Maybe it is, God kept them in the wilderness for 40 years for disobedience
But to claim to know for sure that the attacks are judgment for rejecting Christ just has no merit.
But they are his belief and opinion and he is entitled to speak his mind and in doing so he will draw critics.

I won't expect Palin to leave her church over that and would not ask her to.


As to the whole issue of religion and faith incorporated into politics you should read what the father of this country said in his farewell address to the nation in 1796.

Don't just skim over it quickly and pretend to comprehend it.

I had to read it several times myself to fully understand what he meant by those skillful words.
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

the full text here (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm)


His point it seems is that to govern, any level without a moral guidepost is irresponsible and wrong and morals only come from a religious background.
In order for the American experiment to have succeeded early on required the people to self-govern. The Constitution called for limited government with many restrictions on it, resulting in the most free society ever dreamed of in modern history. Our nations people have lost that ability to self-govern. Too many look to the government for handouts and they have sold their freedom for a bowl of porridge.

In an election year where I've heard many people say that topics like job security, health care, education, minimum wage, and childcare, are important for the candidates to understand it makes me wonder just where in the Constitution does that document give control of those areas to government?

The best thing for government to do is get out of our daily lives. They screw up every single thing they touch and tax us into oblivion doing it.

[pills4everything]

"The United States was in no way founded as a Christian nation." — John Adams, during the
1797 signing of the Treaty of Triploi with Muslim leaders

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice that it
always coincides with their own desires." — Susan B. Anthony

[sparky-4]

"The United States was in no way founded as a Christian nation." — John Adams, during the
1797 signing of the Treaty of Triploi with Muslim leaders

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice that it
always coincides with their own desires." — Susan B. Anthony

Pills,

I'll be coming by your house later this week to collect all of you cash you have
Since it has "In God we trust" on it, you must get sick every time you see it, so I will take that off of your hands

Also, what do you make of Washington's well documented speech to the country?

[WakeUpSheeple]

I see Palin asking her church for prayer concerning her vision and God's plan for Alaska and for God's will for our troops in Iraq and I really don't see a problem there.
Listen to what she said, not what you think she meant.
She says we are engaged in a holy war. And get right with God and help me by supporting this pipeline. That is not asking for prayers. That is stumping for votes (if they want to be right by God)

As far as the Jewish story, the Bible, and I pretty much mean any Bible you pick up and read, no matter the translation says that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.
I've read the book and nowhere does it say the Jews must convert or will be blown up. Women and children included. Let her stand up and proclaim it with you, if that is her view and yours. You don't want to say it but you say "maybe". I want to know and a lot of people in Israel WILL want to know. Do we have their backs or not. They will have doubt as do I unless they get right by God first . Fat chance on that one. That is exactly the kind of religious radicalism we fight today. Boy will she be great with foreign policy.

But they are his belief and opinion and he is entitled to speak his mind and in doing so he will draw critics.
Boy that sounds familiar except Barrack was railed for not condemning and rejecting such inflammatory speechs from the pulpit. So does it matter what someone preaches in a candidates presence or not. In politics, these days, someone is ready to put those words right in the mouth of the candidate if he does not openly reject them pronto. Is it right? No, but it's reality.


Don't just skim over it quickly and pretend to comprehend it.
I never skim, always try to comprehend.




The Constitution called for limited government with many restrictions on it, resulting in the most free society ever dreamed of in modern history. Our nations people have lost that ability to self-govern. Too many look to the government for handouts and they have sold their freedom for a bowl of porridge.
This government sees fit to change the constitution every time you blink.
Many are looking for that hand out anywhere they can find it after being beat down by high inflation, low wages, skyrocketing health care, and a government that sees them as a nuisance. I pray you never need a transplant, heart surgery or cancer treatment. You could find yourself broke and on your own.

In an election year where I've heard many people say that topics like job security, health care, education, minimum wage, and childcare, are important for the candidates to understand it makes me wonder just where in the Constitution does that document give control of those areas to government?
It is very important because they directly or indirectly control all of those things by their polices or lack their of already.
The best thing for government to do is get out of our daily lives. They screw up every single thing they touch and tax us into oblivion doing it.
You found one thing I agree with. Problem is they already own everyone of us. You just don't know it yet. I could go on a long time on this one. This administration and the next, if you elect McCain, is already spending this nation into the poor house while they and their cronies are getting richer. How much of the tax payers money did they spend yesterday to prevent the collapse of the largest insurance company in the world. 85-BILLION $$$$$
To prevent the collapse of many banks who are owed about 150 BILLION $$$
The Federal Reserve has no business in the insurance market. Now 80% of this lemon belongs to them(or us). Bail out after bailout, are the rich people expecting a hand out as you say, after making bad decision after bad decision. And they have yet to explain how we pay for these things.
Let's give everyone a tax cut and maybe they can put their heads in the sand for another 4 years while they increase fees for everything. We don't get cuts we get reallocation of taxes and call it a cut.

[howdy ya'll]

sheeple: response to your last posting.....
#1 quote....Palin is talking to a church people, be right with God, that is very common in all churches, she never said 'holy war', she said God's will, very common in all churches....

#2 quote....The Bible does state that the Jews mind will be closed to the acceptance of Christ, common in all churches, plus, she never said that the Jews are going to be blown up, neither did the other preacher, he said the ever so famous word common in all churches that the Jews have judgement just as anyone who does not have the blessing of protection by God, vengance is mine saith the Lord...ever read that? I am probably sure that is what is meant by this preacher. Not once did he say we should hate the Jews. Not once was hate mentioned. I venture to guess that they teach 'love one another', ever read that?

'Be right with God'....are you kidding me? You read the Bible and yet you question asking a CHURCH CONGREGATION to pray, be right with God and talking about Gods will. We are talking about a CHURCH CONGREGATION.

#3 quote.... This preacher is not damning America....he is not damning the Jews, he is giving a consequence to a CHURCH CONGREGATION what the Bible says about his people (the Jews) rejecting and crucifying Christ. Correct, I do not know, but looking all thru history, it seems to be the pattern, sad, yes. I think that is one reason why us, being a CHRISTIAN Nation have tried to team up with the Jewish nations and have protected them for many many many years, 'love one another'. He never said 'hate the Jews'.

#4,5 quote....no comment. I agree with you!lol

#6 quote....The only thing about this is I feel it will be Obama draining the money out of everyones pocket. At least the rich keep America running with all the money they have to spend, if he takes that away from them, then we will be worse off, they are the ones that buy the really big things, pay the most in taxes in our communities and to the government. GO RICH! If they are rich, they deserve it for all their hard work. Obama will 'change' that.

[howdy ya'll]

It seems to be the habit of someone speaking to a CHURCH CONGREGATION to ask for prayer, to encourage being right with God, to talk about God's will. It is just very common practice for ANYONE, even Obama, but with him, he just turns around to the next group of people and cut down us small town dwellers saying we are Bible and gun huggers and say that the Bible believing people are idiots, taking certain scriptures out of context and yet calls himself a Christain. That is Obama.

[pills4everything]

I didn't say that I don't believe in a creator or God, but my relationship with deity is my own. So I don't want believers of any single religion making the laws that we all must abide in. Some of our founding fathers were deist and still went to church knowing even then that it was important to placate the zealots. However after leaving public service, were vocal in their criticism of religion in letters and speaches. Here is a link of a few other things Mr. Washington had to say. Check out Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, US Grant, JFK while your there. Of course you will probably put your own spin on these.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/washframe.htm

Oh and the money "In God We Trust" well I just put my own spin on that.
P.S. I'm not an atheist

[howdy ya'll]

Well, pill, I am in agreement with what you are saying, but during the time of our forefathers, it was an incredible time of religious exploration and witch hunts. Religion was just as corrupt back then as it is now and they could see it, and felt it should stay out of government, but not away from government. On top of They saw the corruption in the old world and I am sure they wanted the old world religion/government to stay in the old world and away from the new.

I do think government and religion can go hand in hand, and I really think it was intended that way, but not with a tight grip. Does that make sense? Susan B Anthony obviously saw corruption in religion of that time just as we see the corruption of our time. She is very right, twisting Gods will to meet the desires of man, man's own interpretation of what he wants the Bible to say, that is why there is so many versions of the Bible.

Religion is a wonderful thing, it is like free counseling, spill your guts to God, free of charge and that is what makes people more relieved and feel good. Religion is very personal and special to people. A personal thing, just like you said. It is not a bad thing, and yes there still is corruption, but I think it is a little more in check now.

[howdy ya'll]

Plus, I can see Obama getting rid of Christianity completely, I think that is one of his 'change' in Washington. At least Palin/McCain will try to keep Christianity close to them and Washington.

[Passenger]

wow...reading this is the most entertaining thing I've seen in days...three pages of extreme anger but with actual discussion...its like watching Fight Club and C-SPAN at the same time...

gotta agree with most of you though...government should just stay out...govern and that's it...

leave matters of the heart to the people...

don't think it'll ever happen though...
all politicians are crooks...they're the only people who suck up enough and have enough money to make it that far in life...