Catholic

[howdy ya'll]

I am not Catholic, but I share many of their values....check this out. It is almost as good as the gun control video.....

http://www.catholicvote.com/

[bigfatfurrytexan]

this topic could be a powder keg.

[howdy ya'll]

And why do you say this???....

[800trunkerman]

Yeah, BFFT, why do you say this?:rolleyes: You threw it out there, account for your comment.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Nah...i will let it ride. i don't wish to be disrespectful to the belief system (regardless of my personal feelings). However, 800, if you REALLY want to know you can turn on your PM's and i will send you a message with my full feelings. Keep in mind that it will be somewhat disrespectful to many but that since you would solicit it, i would have the full right to speak honestly.

Or you can keep sending out potshots from a PM account that is disabled.

[howdy ya'll]

Ya, this is a very touchy and personal subject. I thought it was a really good conservative view of how the Catholics view this election, and that is why I posted it. Not in no means disrespecting other views.

Just sharing.

[WakeUpSheeple]

Yes, lets bring religion into this.
McCain's ticket is supported by various pastors (John Hagee and Rod Parsley) who have severely denounced the Catholic faith, whom still back him. They have said:

Hagee denounced the Roman Catholic Church as “the great whore of Babylon” and “a cult.” He blames it for the Holocaust and predicts its imminent demise.

“This is the apostate church,” Hagee said. ” … this false religious system is going to be totally devoured by the anti-Christ.”

Parsley has said:

Parsley has called for Christians to wage war against the “false religion” of Islam, in order to destroy it. He does not distinguish between Islamic extremists and ordinary Muslims. “What some call ‘extremists’ are instead mainstream believers who are drawing from the well at the very heart of Islam,” he has written.
And it’s not just Muslims he’s got it in for. Last year, Parsley’s organization called for people who commit adultery to be prosecuted, and in January he compared Planned Parenthood to the Nazis.

I do not support this kind of stuff. Abortion issues are very important and is a very personal issue for many. But I can not feel comfortable with McCain’s campaign who is supported by “Christian” ministers who voice this kind of smut. I feel people who profess to be called Christians and have this kind of philosophy are total HYPOCRITES.

Although Obama/Biden aren’t where I’m at completely on the abortion issue, I feel they have a more open mind, are way more experienced when it comes to the economy, and represent the fresh change that we need. We need DIPLOMACY in this world not war-mongering.
And how can someone be pro life and be for the death penalty?
If you are a christian , you must watch-

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=280286-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

[howdy ya'll]

Oh, by no means was I trying to bring religion into the discussion.

I just thought it was a nice video.....:)

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Yes, lets bring religion into this.


no, lets not. Our founding fathers were wise enough to clearly state that religion has no place in our politics.

Lets leave it that way.

[Jenny B]

no, lets not. Our founding fathers were wise enough to clearly state that religion has no place in our politics.

Lets leave it that way.

Man, it is mindsets like this that got us into trouble in the first place! Has anyone noticed that as soon as "politics" starting trying to exclude God out of everything, that this is when our world really started falling apart? Morals and values went out the window, not to mention the total disregard to our "One true Founding Father, Jesus Christ!"

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Man, it is mindsets like this that got us into trouble in the first place! Has anyone noticed that as soon as "politics" starting trying to exclude God out of everything, that this is when our world really started falling apart? Morals and values went out the window, not to mention the total disregard to our "One true Founding Father, Jesus Christ!"

Except i believe that our savior is ourselves. And that Jesus was a great man that walked in the same footsteps as other great men. I am buddhist, not Christian.

You cannot make a religious government. Inspired by sprituality? Certainly. It provides moral compass. But a state condoned religion? We would be no better off than King Henry would have had us be, and in the same boat as Iran.

I get what you are saying. I don't mean remove spritiuality from politics. Like i said...it provides a moral compass for some (and comfort for others). But we cannot allow religion to run our politics. Religion is often as corrupt (if not moreso) than our politicians.

[sparky-4]

no, lets not. Our founding fathers were wise enough to clearly state that religion has no place in our politics.

Lets leave it that way.

Is that in the Constitution? Bill of Rights? or Declaration?
and don't go to the First Amendment, that only precludes Congress from establishing a state religion which is what the founders were against considering the English crown.

and concerning Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist, that was his views and he was a religious man but he did believe in separation as a personal matter.
John Adams and George Washington were no so inclined and even declared days of prayer.

[hockeymonkey]

Man, it is mindsets like this that got us into trouble in the first place! Has anyone noticed that as soon as "politics" starting trying to exclude God out of everything, that this is when our world really started falling apart? Morals and values went out the window, not to mention the total disregard to our "One true Founding Father, Jesus Christ!"

I have to disagree. It seems to me when it is brought in that things go awry. I myself am a pagan/wiccan. I feel that I have more morals and treat people better than a lot (not all) of "christian" acclaiming folks. Maybe it is the way I view life and value people, their feelings and nature. I also believe that anything I do will come back fourfold. In no way would I ever try to cram my beliefs down anybody's throats or try to make you believe that my way is the best. I was baptized and raised catholic, graduated from catholic high school. My mom left the catholic church when I was 9 or 10. I absolutely believe in the separation of church and state.

(the monkey climbs off her soapbox and lets the thread resume)

[Jenny B]

Well, I guess to each his own....(I will remember you in my prayers tonight....)
However, call me a Jesus Freak, but He is my Savior---and one day the whole world will see Who is truly in control. As for me, when I was a child, there was prayer in school.......once that was taken away......I feel there was a decline in society and it continues to get worse. Children are under more peer pressure and are in more devastating situations than ever before.
There is often too much "religion" going on in society, and not enough faith. I'm a firm believer that God did not create one religion, He created one Faith.
One day everyone will see the Light, we can only pray that it isn't too late.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Well, I guess to each his own....(I will remember you in my prayers tonight....)
However, call me a Jesus Freak, but He is my Savior---and one day the whole world will see Who is truly in control. As for me, when I was a child, there was prayer in school.......once that was taken away......I feel there was a decline in society and it continues to get worse. Children are under more peer pressure and are in more devastating situations than ever before.
There is often too much "religion" going on in society, and not enough faith. I'm a firm believer that God did not create one religion, He created one Faith.
One day everyone will see the Light, we can only pray that it isn't too late.

That is, umm...interesting.

God didn't "invent" religion. Man did. In his search to make order and create understanding out of the spiritual side of himself, a religion was born. In other areas, it was more of an exploitation by a more charismatic person using religion as the metaphorical boot in the back of the collective necks of man.

Prayer in school most certainly does happen. it is an individual endeavor. Just the way it is meant to be. You don't do it as a group, as that involved peer pressure (which faith should have none of, honestly, as that is not "faith"). But if you child wishes to pray at school, they most certainly are allowed to.

Faith is not removed from the government. It is just made more personal. The way it should be. Now, if you mean "bible discussion", that has no place in school. That should be between parent and child.

I appreciate you offering to remember me in your prayers at night. That is very comforting. thank you. :) Show as much compassion to every human on the planet, please, and our world will be just that much better. :D

BTW, you are aware that there are many legends dealing with Jesus possibly having Buddhist/Hindu ties, correct? The lama's called him "Issa". Look it up. It is interesting reading, and might help explain his whereabouts for those "missing years".

[SLAPSH0T]

I have to disagree. It seems to me when it is brought in that things go awry. I myself am a pagan/wiccan. I feel that I have more morals and treat people better than a lot (not all) of "christian" acclaiming folks. Maybe it is the way I view life and value people, their feelings and nature. I also believe that anything I do will come back fourfold. In no way would I ever try to cram my beliefs down anybody's throats or try to make you believe that my way is the best. I was baptized and raised catholic, graduated from catholic high school. My mom left the catholic church when I was 9 or 10. I absolutely believe in the separation of church and state.

(the monkey climbs off her soapbox and lets the thread resume)

Uh oh. Most of the people on this forum are great folks, but the one thing they aren't is tolerant of other religious beliefs. Don your flame retardant suit now! :D:D

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Uh oh. Most of the people on this forum are great folks, but the one thing they aren't is tolerant of other religious beliefs. Don your flame retardant suit now! :D:D

this is why i have this in my signature line:


Being religious means asking passionately the question of the meaning of our existence and being willing to receive answers, even if the answers hurt. - Paul Tillich

It is hard to try to make a new rationale once you have been shown one your entire life. Some can, some can't. but our faith is a personal choice, and it involves our own personal journey.

One thing i could never do is follow beliefs that tried to "recruit" through force. That is not a God I wish to know. :)

StoneSour has a song called "Bother". When i listen to it, i am disturbed, but i understand where they are coming from. Especially, the following line:

Wish I was too dead to cry
My self-affliction fades
Stones to throw at my creator
Masochist to which I cater

I understand where this idea comes from. But, if you can believe that we are here to both suffer and enjoy, and that God himself does not have a hand in everything that happens, you understand that He is not a masochist. Rather, He is allowing us the experience. Both the pleasure AND the pain. The Yin AND the Yang. Order AND Chaos. Good AND Evil.

The question then is: Is he both? Does He represent all (or ALL)? If so, then what do we term "good" as it relates to our faith?

To me, it would seem logic would be what is Good. But that is just my own take on it. And you should certainly not take my word for it. :)

[SLAPSH0T]

StoneSour has a song called "Bother". When i listen to it, i am disturbed, but i understand where they are coming from.

Ahhhh....finally someone on this forum with some taste in music! I have that song on my ipod. :)

[bigfatfurrytexan]

i am a maggot, and so is my son. Anything by Stone Sour or SlipKnot.

[sparky-4]

I have to disagree. It seems to me when it is brought in that things go awry. I myself am a pagan/wiccan. I feel that I have more morals and treat people better than a lot (not all) of "christian" acclaiming folks. Maybe it is the way I view life and value people, their feelings and nature. I also believe that anything I do will come back fourfold. In no way would I ever try to cram my beliefs down anybody's throats or try to make you believe that my way is the best. I was baptized and raised catholic, graduated from catholic high school. My mom left the catholic church when I was 9 or 10. I absolutely believe in the separation of church and state.

(the monkey climbs off her soapbox and lets the thread resume)

hockeymonkey,
where did your morals come from?

[SLAPSH0T]

i am a maggot, and so is my son. Anything by Stone Sour or SlipKnot.

My favorite radio station, "Octane" on SIRIUS Satellite radio plays alot of slipknot. I heard a band called "Volbeat" on there the other day and downloaded two of their songs from iTunes. Listen to their song called "Sad Man's Tongue"....it starts out sounding like a Johnny Cash song and then surprises you. Check 'em out, pretty cool european band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mV_HHL-h6g

Turn up the volume!! This one is a favorite of mine when I'm at the gym.