David Gergen on AC360: Ronald Reagan was a Socialist!

[the.shrubinator]

This clip has a lot of goodies in it including Palin bring up her clothes right before the election and David's shock at the circling firing squad by the McCain camp directed at Sarah.
(http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/david-gergan-ac360-oct-27-2008)
What is rare is to have campaign aides putting a harpoon in the candidate, and then some of the candidate's friends firing back.

But on a serious note, As McCain keeps attacking Obama as a "socialist" and a "Redistributionist in Chief," David Gergen reminds us that Ronald Reagan actually starting "spreading the wealth."

Gergen: Now, one of the most effective popular programs we've had in the last three decades. It's called the earned income tax credit. It's a program whereby, if you're a working person, a working couple and you're below the poverty line, the government will actually give you money. That's a redistributed program. It's a program which takes money from the upper classes and gives it to the lower -- to the working poor.

Now who started that program? The earned income tax credit? Ronald Reagan. It was one of the -- it was an achievement of the Reagan administration that Bill Clinton then built on.

The Republican Party has been dancing on Reagan's bones for some time now as THE conservative to emulate. Well, he did raise taxes when he had too and after this tidbit of information I guess he's just a typical socialist after all.

Full transcript available here. (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/27/acd.01.html)


I am amazed that most of the big news organization seem bored at this point pointing out that Sen. McCain's entire campaign at this point is based on knowing falsehoods. How to make it more exciting for them? Moose calls & the sound of SAMs being fired?

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Reagan was a capitalist, not a socialist.

BTW, the socialist leader was on Colbert last night, and he did everything he could to make sure we knew Obama was not a socialist, but a capitalist. Just like Reagan was.

I also think Obama is clueless, but that is due to inexperience and not a flaw. I might consider voting for him in 4 more years...but not yet.

scarier still is the likelihood that some redknecks will try to "off" him, leaving us with Biden as president.

[the.shrubinator]

Yeah,whatever,the fact is we've had socialist programs propping up American style capitalism since at least Teddy Roosevelt,who was the first to offer progessive taxation.

I appreciate your naive political views but the topic relates to a video clip and to what was said..............and the lies and da***d lies promulgated by the McCrazy/Moosebuns cabal...


Reagan was a capitalist, not a socialist.

BTW, the socialist leader was on Colbert last night, and he did everything he could to make sure we knew Obama was not a socialist, but a capitalist. Just like Reagan was.

I also think Obama is clueless, but that is due to inexperience and not a flaw. I might consider voting for him in 4 more years...but not yet.

scarier still is the likelihood that some redknecks will try to "off" him, leaving us with Biden as president.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

would you rather i not partake in this discussion? You are certainly not acting very civil. I sure hope we don't begin to see an old pattern emerge here, Shrub. :)

Naivete aside, he was a capitalist, not a socialist. He enacted social programs, for sure. But i watch the occassional Bollywood film, that doesn't make me Indian. What he did was enact some social programs in an attempt to work across the aisle. This is why he was such a popular president.

[the.shrubinator]

Nice try,but care to comment on what was actually said in the video? Old pattern?,hmmmmm and that means what,exactly?



would you rather i not partake in this discussion? You are certainly not acting very civil. I sure hope we don't begin to see an old pattern emerge here, Shrub. :)

Naivete aside, he was a capitalist, not a socialist. He enacted social programs, for sure. But i watch the occassional Bollywood film, that doesn't make me Indian. What he did was enact some social programs in an attempt to work across the aisle. This is why he was such a popular president.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Old pattern = acting without civility. :) i.e. "you naive political views", as if my views are somehow less important than yours.

No, i do not wish to comment on the video. My comments are as stated.

[the.shrubinator]

Care to move even more off topic?
The topic is about the lies of MSame/Phalin campaign lies and the press and friends turning on them.....


Old pattern = acting without civility. :) i.e. "you naive political views", as if my views are somehow less important than yours.

No, i do not wish to comment on the video. My comments are as stated.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Care to move even more off topic?
The topic is about the lies of MSame/Phalin campaign lies and the press and friends turning on them.....

oh, i am sorry. you asked a question. I assume you wanted it answered. Carry on.... :rolleyes:

[the.shrubinator]

Yep,I sure did :)I am amazed that most of the big news organization seem bored at this point pointing out that Sen. McCain's entire campaign at this point is based on knowing falsehoods. How to make it more exciting for them? Moose calls & the sound of SAMs being fired?see opening post...........



oh, i am sorry. you asked a question. I assume you wanted it answered. Carry on.... :rolleyes:

[sparky-4]

hey shrub, do you know your like a bush? he he ha ha

what was in that video anyway? my computer has a filter on for liberal, left-wing trash and it won't open up for me.:D

[the.shrubinator]

CNN and David Gergen is liberal left-wing trash? right...........ahahahahhahaahahah................ .........ad hominem attacks are okay here........hmmmm,typical


hey shrub, do you know your like a bush? he he ha ha

what was in that video anyway? my computer has a filter on for liberal, left-wing trash and it won't open up for me.:D

[TheModerator]

Back on topic please.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Back on topic please.

Is this the topic?

I am amazed that most of the big news organization seem bored at this point pointing out that Sen. McCain's entire campaign at this point is based on knowing falsehoods. How to make it more exciting for them? Moose calls & the sound of SAMs being fired?

so we can only discuss if we are going to agree that there are lies being told, suggest ways to improve their lies, and then smear them for choosing to hunt?

i find this a hard topic to discuss, if it is going to be forced into such a narrow venue.

I would assume that since Reagan and "socialist" was in the title of the thread, we could discuss him and refute his socialist leanings? Is that not fair game?

[the.shrubinator]

uh,no Dude,it's about even repubpubs 'friends" are discounting the attempted smears of Obama with a telling story of one of the alleged 'shining example of American capitalism" in recent history.................Reagan signed the EIC filing to the IRS tax code.Which in itself is a "redistribution of wealth"


Is this the topic?



so we can only discuss if we are going to agree that there are lies being told, suggest ways to improve their lies, and then smear them for choosing to hunt?

i find this a hard topic to discuss, if it is going to be forced into such a narrow venue.

I would assume that since Reagan and "socialist" was in the title of the thread, we could discuss him and refute his socialist leanings? Is that not fair game?

[bigfatfurrytexan]

uh,no Dude,it's about even repubpubs 'friends" are discounting the attempted smears of Obama with a telling story of one of the alleged 'shining example of American capitalism" in recent history.................Reagan signed the EIC filing to the IRS tax code.Which in itself is a "redistribution of wealth"

Ok...we can discuss that. and i was, but you noted your disapproval:

Care to move even more off topic?
The topic is about the lies of MSame/Phalin campaign lies and the press and friends turning on them.....

And then further clarified that the topic was about:

Yep,I sure did :)see opening post...........

I am amazed that most of the big news organization seem bored at this point pointing out that Sen. McCain's entire campaign at this point is based on knowing falsehoods. How to make it more exciting for them? Moose calls & the sound of SAMs being fired?



Then the moderator showed up. I am confused, and have no idea what you want to talk about. Honestly.

I CAN say that Reagan has nothing to do with McCain/Palin. He isn't even alive anymore. I am even more dumbfounded at what the connection is. I would rather see Reagan running, for sure. We need another Reagan, i think.

[the.shrubinator]

hahahaha,right what's to question? or 'debate'? :confused:

Ok...we can discuss that. and i was, but you noted your disapproval:



And then further clarified that the topic was about:



Then the moderator showed up. I am confused, and have no idea what you want to talk about. Honestly.

[sparky-4]

Oh yeah, now I remember Reagan the socialist.. isn't he the one who fired all of the Federal Air Traffic Controllers when they went on strike and tried to shut down air travel?

Wasn't it Reagan the Socialist who abolished the fairness doctrine when he gave the FCC an enema? That gave birth to conservative talk radio and a rebirth to free political speech?

If you were going to put Ronald Reagan and Barack O'bomber on trial for being a socialist, you wouldn't have enough evidence to convict Reagan and O'bomber's trial would be a slam dunk. Although his attorneys would keep appealing the court's decisions and delaying the discovery of evidence and all the while selling the TV coverage of the trial.

later bushinator..

[sparky-4]

I CAN say that Reagan has nothing to do with McCain/Palin. He isn't even alive anymore. I am even more dumbfounded at what the connection is. I would rather see Reagan running, for sure. We need another Reagan, i think.

it is easy to pick on a dead man, they don't fight back much:D

[the.shrubinator]

Right,he's as dead as his economic theories............... ;)



Oh yeah, now I remember Reagan the socialist.. isn't he the one who fired all of the Federal Air Traffic Controllers when they went on strike and tried to shut down air travel?

Wasn't it Reagan the Socialist who abolished the fairness doctrine when he gave the FCC an enema? That gave birth to conservative talk radio and a rebirth to free political speech?

If you were going to put Ronald Reagan and Barack O'bomber on trial for being a socialist, you wouldn't have enough evidence to convict Reagan and O'bomber's trial would be a slam dunk. Although his attorneys would keep appealing the court's decisions and delaying the discovery of evidence and all the while selling the TV coverage of the trial.

later bushinator..

[the.shrubinator]

Hey dude,David Gergen is a repubby............. <snicker>it is easy to pick on a dead man, they don't fight back much:D

[bigfatfurrytexan]

The Socialist Candidate for president was on TV last night (i think Colbert) and was fighting awful hard to separate Obama and the Socialist party. He seemed to be somewhat insulted at the notion. Obama is not a socialist. I think the "wealth redistribution" was more GOP spin than anything.

But it IS fun to poke fun at.

[the.shrubinator]

It's desperation time here fro the pubbies and it's nothing new to them..............when they know they are losing they bring out the socialist label much the same as Goldwater tried to paint LBJ in 64/...


I knew Eugene Debs and Barack is far from being a socialist. :cool:I was chatting with some Euro friends on irc the other night and they think Americans and their politics are a joke......... hahahaha

[bigfatfurrytexan]

The Euro's have their own issues. they can think of our politics whatever they want. they don't live in our nation, and they all beg our nation for handouts. i think of them as "petulent children".

What does 1964 have to do with 2008?

Are we going to refer to ancient elections?

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/images/1220.jpg

Tippecanoe And Tyler Too!!!

[the.shrubinator]

Big Fat Furry Texan,the average third world denizen knows more about politics than the average American.And,no,they don't look for a hand out from us either......maybe you should try chatting with some for a change before you form an opinion of the Euros...........


What does 64 elections have to do with today's election?.......read what I posted......same o same o......................

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Big Fat Furry Texan,the average third world denizen knows more about politics than the average American.And,no,they don't look for a hand out from us either......maybe you should try chatting with some for a change before you form an opinion of the Euros...........


What does 64 elections have to do with today's election?.......read what I posted......same o same o......................

Jeez, you are a presumptive one, aren't you?

Would you like to talk to my foreign friends? As a member of a fairly respected research consortium, i have the opportunity to visit with great minds from all over Europe, primarily eastern Europe.

Maybe the opinion you recieve of the US comes from the types of places you get them from? I doubt folks in the ghetto will say much good about the police.. But in the suburbs....yeah, different answer. Consider your source, as that may be where the disconnect lies. :D

[the.shrubinator]

Nope,nothing presumptive on my part.I chat with PHDs, writers and students in various universities,etc.

I sure as hell don't form my opinions of others based on what is posted on local boards which are completely devoid of any cosmopolitan candor.

Seriously,give it a try.......... http://www.undernet.org/

[sparky-4]

Hey dude,David Gergen is a repubby............. <snicker>

bushinator,
I am not a republican, they are waaaay too liberal for me.

David Gergen does not impress me, I don't care what party he is in.

Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!
:D:D

[sparky-4]

Nope,nothing presumptive on my part.I chat with PHDs, writers and students in various universities,etc.

I sure as hell don't form my opinions of others based on what is posted on local boards which are completely devoid of any cosmopolitan candor.

Seriously,give it a try.......... http://www.undernet.org/

oh, I'm impressed. you actually chat with "professors" oh do tell
Professors are awesome in there nice little sweaters that look like a pumpkin threw up on and their little BMW's parked in the "Faculty Only" spot.
Do they have tenure, yet? Now that is really impressive. Education is our salvation!

[the.shrubinator]

I'm impressed that your impressed................don't take much now does it....... ;)oh, I'm impressed. you actually chat with "professors" oh do tell
Professors are awesome in there nice little sweaters that look like a pumpkin threw up on and their little BMW's parked in the "Faculty Only" spot.
Do they have tenure, yet? Now that is really impressive. Education is our salvation!

[sparky-4]

hey.. as long as you "feel" enlightened, thats enough for me to smile:D

[the.shrubinator]

hey.. as long as you "feel" enlightened, thats enough for me to smile:DOh,I don't 'feel' enlightened,I know I am ............:)

I just wonder what kind of monkey poo Moosebuns and McCrazy will hurl next?

[bigfatfurrytexan]

I have a close friend that is the dean of science at one of the major universities doing nanotech study in N. Carolina. I have posted quite a bit of stuff forwarded to me by him. The pro-GOP cartoons from Australia came from him.

Dr. James Baker, the dean of science at UCal-Berkeley (and imminent gravitational research guru) and i have exchanged a few emails, as well as Ron Koczor (a muckety muck for NASA at the Birmingham facility).

Then there are the physicists from Romania and England (and another one that just retired from the ARL and is moving to Hungary). Then there is the lady who is the anthropologist (her husband designs aircars for the ARL, and that is how we met the physicist that recently retired from there).

Another friend is a fairly well known actress, if you are familiar with movies that were released through the 90's (she finds the industry dispicable and retired as an actress, preferring to produce independantly).

I have also had a few conversations with an adult actor that we all know from recent TV appearances. He is a real hoot, and much more intellectual than you would likely care to believe. We don't talk often (the others i communicate with multiple times daily, some via phone calls).

Probably the best known (that i will tell publicly) is John Lear. His father was the owner of the Lear Jet company. He is a member of our research group, and quite the character and accomplished pilot (working for a few airlines, as well as the well known CIA op "Air America").

My point? Nothing, other than throwing around the credentials of your friends doesn't matter much. The folks who will believe you still aren't going to give a rip. :D

If you would like to know more about some of the folks i refer to, please visit www.thelivingmoon.com. There is a listing, i believe, on the front page of a large portion of our research group. Many others are not listed, as they participate soley via our Yahoo group (which you can also find listed under "Pegasusgroup", or something to that effect).

I don't wish to visit the forum you linked me to, Shrub. I have my hands full with the contacts i currently have, and they support active research i am involved in. :D But thanks for the invite.

Now...can we put the peeing match behind us? :rolleyes:

[the.shrubinator]

bigfatfurrytexan ,well good,I'm happy for ya.............

[bigfatfurrytexan]

:) like i said...can you leave the peeing match alone and discuss the subjects rather than who you know?

[the.shrubinator]

:) like i said...can you leave the peeing match alone and discuss the subjects rather than who you know?
huh? the undernet is one of the oldest irc servers...............I have no idea what you are bleating about...............but how about that David Gergen,huh? hahahaha

[sparky-4]

Oh,I don't 'feel' enlightened,I know I am ............:)

I just wonder what kind of monkey poo Moosebuns and McCrazy will hurl next?

I heard that all the people on welfare were going to start getting moose meat to eat instead of those Lone Star Cards.

[the.shrubinator]

I heard that all the people on welfare were going to start getting moose meat to eat instead of those Lone Star Cards.Sure man,I bet you can't wait,huh?:rolleyes:

[bigfatfurrytexan]

huh? the undernet is one of the oldest irc servers...............I have no idea what you are bleating about...............but how about that David Gergen,huh? hahahaha

your misguided notion that because you visit with folks who claim professorship, that you viewpoints are enlightened enough to insult others for their viewpoints. that is what i am talking about.

The Dean i referred to states that "Most professors are educated idiots."

[sparky-4]

Sure man,I bet you can't wait,huh?:rolleyes:

Oh yeah!


can I borrow your card and PIN number, mine is all used up till the first

[the.shrubinator]

OW,and soliciting a fraud,man you righties are surely losing it.........haahahahahOh yeah!


can I borrow your card and PIN number, mine is all used up till the first

[the.shrubinator]

yeah,whatever.............btw,what 'taht'?


your misguided notion taht because you visit with folks who claim professorship, that you viewpoints are enlightened enough to insult others for their viewpoints. that is what i am talking about.

The Dean i referred to states that "Most professors are educated idiots."

[sparky-4]

OW,and soliciting a fraud,man you righties are surely losing it.........haahahahah

no, I mean you should want to help your fellow man
I'd give it right back after I got me some malt liquor

[the.shrubinator]

;)
Look...........gasp! it's Socialism!


Gergen: Now, one of the most effective popular programs we've had in the last three decades. It's called the earned income tax credit. It's a program whereby, if you're a working person, a working couple and you're below the poverty line, the government will actually give you money. That's a redistributed program. It's a program which takes money from the upper classes and gives it to the lower -- to the working poor.

Now who started that program? The earned income tax credit? Ronald Reagan. It was one of the -- it was an achievement of the Reagan administration that Bill Clinton then built on.

[sparky-4]

;)
Look...........gasp! it's Socialism!

you are one sharp lady!

[bigfatfurrytexan]

yeah,whatever.............btw,what 'taht'?

if your best shot is to make fun of type-o's, then your stay surely will be short lived.

Remember this when you are no longer allowed here: we will be talking incessantly about you (until we are bored anyway), and you will have no theater of rebuttal.

[the.shrubinator]

you are one sharp lady!Sure sweetie,whatever your little mind thinks........

[the.shrubinator]

do what?Are we a bit ****y here or what?
Surely I shant bore you...............you're hilarious......ahahhahaif your best shot is to make fun of type-o's, then your stay surely will be short lived.

Remember this when you are no longer allowed here: we will be talking incessantly about you (until we are bored anyway), and you will have no theater of rebuttal.

[sparky-4]

I might send you some flowers.. for your .. shrub

oh back on topic, remember, Reagan the socialist, and your point was??

[the.shrubinator]

Dude,you missed my point? Wow,what a surprise.............it was David Gergen who said Reagan was a socialist by the very definitions that McCrazy/Moosebuns defined Obama as..in other words................at this point even their own kind is making fun of their 'talking points'.........


.............

I might send you some flowers.. for your .. shrub

oh back on topic, remember, Reagan the socialist, and your point was??

[sparky-4]

Dude,you missed my point? Wow,what a surprise.............it was David Gergen who said Reagan was a socialist by the very definitions that McCrazy/Moosebuns defined Obama as..in other words................at this point even their own kind is making fun of their 'talking points'.........


.............

david who?

[the.shrubinator]

david who?
Just think,next week you will have a president named Hussein......................man,what a country...............ahahahhahaah

[WakeUpSheeple]

Good clip shrub.
And accurate.
Reagan the socialist, bet that get under their skin.
Say no to fear and war mongers, vote Obama !

[bigfatfurrytexan]

looky, looky...shrub is banned, from another site.

[sparky-4]

I guess you might say that BCHP forum has been defoliated http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/images/smilies/rotf.gif

[howdy ya'll]

the 'shrub' has been 'cut'

[howdy ya'll]

I actually thought shrub and sheeple were the same posters. But they very well could be buds that share the same passion for obama and a liberal hatred for conservatives.