Gun Confiscation

[sparky-4]

If anybody don't think the Feds are capable of doing this, just look at what state and local cops did to an elderly woman after Katrina

this is sickening...

Gun Confiscation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&eurl=http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/226510/tp/1/)

[howdy ya'll]

yep, this is scary. And obama is one day away from being our next pres.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

"If you want my gun, you are going to have to pry it from my cold, dead hands".

i am not an avid gun owner. I have 1 rifle, and i haven't seen it in 15 years (mom has it at her house). but i am an American and a patriot.

[sparky-4]

"If you want my gun, you are going to have to pry it from my cold, dead hands".

i am not an avid gun owner. I have 1 rifle, and i haven't seen it in 15 years (mom has it at her house). but i am an American and a patriot.

well those "cops" in N.O. took the gun from the ladys hands in her own kitchen

Nice tackle by the way on a 70 year old...

Things like that make my blood boil:mad:

[bigfatfurrytexan]

well those "cops" in N.O. took the gun from the ladys hands in her own kitchen

Nice tackle by the way on a 70 year old...

Things like that make my blood boil:mad:

and she didn't shoot them?

yeah....kind of extreme. but i may have ended up dead from a shootout on that day, were i her.

[sparky-4]

"If you want my gun, you are going to have to pry it from my cold, dead hands".


and they will eagerly do it my friend


and who are these goons?........

The local police and national guard... these people's neighbors:(

[Jenny B]

That was the most awful thing I think I have ever seen! That poor lady.

[sparky-4]

coming to a city near you very soon, I am afraid:(

[howdy ya'll]

today is the doomsday to determine if our next civil war takes place.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

today is the doomsday to determine if our next civil war takes place.

Bill Kristol put it well when he said "its just another election, and the world does not hang in the balance."

[howdy ya'll]

Actually, New Orleans very well could have been a test to see just what the average law abiding American would do when forced to give up their guns.

They gave in, and guns were taken, and now they know.

[sparky-4]

"they" were able to take the guns from the young and old alike.
In many cases the gun owners were met with irresistible force in many cases having several guns pointed at them at the same time.

[sparky-4]

another video from ABC link (http://www.gunowners.org/abcnews.mpg)

[Dudette]

That link does not work.

[TheModerator]

It worked for me. It came up on Quicktime Viewer.

[howdy ya'll]

Bill Kristol put it well when he said "its just another election, and the world does not hang in the balance."


I hope the ones who do not turn a blind eye to the events around them do not knock on my door in times in need. Kenya is dancing in the streets, the black panthers are rejoicing and some of the military is grouping in the side lines. Not to mention that the government has a massive build of MRE ready for the larger cities to keep the people in the city so they do not go out to us in the rural areas.

No, I am not stressing or over stocking, but being prepared is just smart and safe.

[Dudette]

Thanks Mr Mod, I did get it to play finally...the nut behind the wheel!

That is a sad thing. I think it was a unique time in America and someone made a decision that is hard to understand. I don't want our officers or military to be shot trying to make sure everyone is out of the city, but some carried it to far. Common sense went out the window. When the people that were in the boats and the one man that was in his car, were asked if they had weapons and they answered truthfully, at that point they were treated as criminals would have been. The police were doing as they were told, the problem I have is with the Chief or whoever that was that gave the order. It would be nice to know what prompted that order.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Thanks Mr Mod, I did get it to play finally...the nut behind the wheel!

That is a sad thing. I think it was a unique time in America and someone made a decision that is hard to understand. I don't want our officers or military to be shot trying to make sure everyone is out of the city, but some carried it to far. Common sense went out the window. When the people that were in the boats and the one man that was in his car, were asked if they had weapons and they answered truthfully, at that point they were treated as criminals would have been. The police were doing as they were told, the problem I have is with the Chief or whoever that was that gave the order. It would be nice to know what prompted that order.

i think it was blackswift mercs, but i am unsure.

i don't think our military would ever turn their guns on the citizens of the US. Not without something interfering (i.e, mindcontrol...read this before laughing:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=26

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=25

I have further stuff if anyone is interested).

[Dudette]

It's late and I am tired, but I will try to read it tomorrow. On a similar note though, there was a program on TV in the past week about a soldier that was hit in the head with a bullet during combat. After going through the healing process he was talking with some Doctors about his experiences during that time and the doctors determined that he now had the ability to "read" or "see" things that were happening in other places, like other countries. It was very very interesting. He quit the program when he felt that it was taking a turn towards evil or not going to be used like he thought it should be.
I will not say "never" because there is to much I simply do not know.

[bigfatfurrytexan]

along those lines, i have always been very interested in the pineal gland. In Tibet, there is a procedure called "opening the eye" in which the pineal gland is alter via treponation and a somewhat "surgical" procedure.

[howdy ya'll]

along those lines, i have always been very interested in the pineal gland. In Tibet, there is a procedure called "opening the eye" in which the pineal gland is alter via treponation and a somewhat "surgical" procedure.


chem trails........

[sparky-4]

Thanks Mr Mod, I did get it to play finally...the nut behind the wheel!

That is a sad thing. I think it was a unique time in America and someone made a decision that is hard to understand. I don't want our officers or military to be shot trying to make sure everyone is out of the city, but some carried it to far. Common sense went out the window. When the people that were in the boats and the one man that was in his car, were asked if they had weapons and they answered truthfully, at that point they were treated as criminals would have been. The police were doing as they were told, the problem I have is with the Chief or whoever that was that gave the order. It would be nice to know what prompted that order.

Neither the military, police,or an out of control mayor in a city hit by a hurricane have the right to disarm law abiding citizens. That is a protection given us by the Bill of Rights added to the US Constitution. Period.
Personal liberty doesn't always mean "feeling" safe.
Those citizens' Constitutional rights to keep and bear arms were violated by Ray Nagin and ANY National Guard, or state police who carried out those UNLAWFUL orders. Period.

This is basic Constitutional Law.

[sparky-4]

i don't think our military would ever turn their guns on the citizens of the US. Not without something interfering (i.e, mindcontrol...read this before laughing:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=26


so for the ones who have already done this, you are suggesting some form of mind control was used?

[sparky-4]

Ray Nagin should be in prison:mad:

[howdy ya'll]

Ray Nagin should be in prison:mad:


Yes he should. Even on murder charges from Katrina. But obama will ask him to be in his cabinet, watch.
Nagin needs to be held accountable for the events of the aftermath of Katrina. Every event. It is not Bush's fault, it is Nagin's fault.

Or maybe it is HAARP

[sparky-4]

Ray "School bus" Nagin:D

[bigfatfurrytexan]

so for the ones who have already done this, you are suggesting some form of mind control was used?

IS BEING used.

Have you researched Schumann Resonance? Consider how easy it would be to encode some type of information on a Schumann Frequency within the Alpha frequency? It would easily be hidden within the known frequencies of the Earths "hearbeat" and use a carrier signal that is easily recieved by the brain.

Our government has been shown to not be above experimenting on its citizens.

No, i don't say we should get tin hat. But i DO say we should know what is possible. I have had a few contacts from "within". You would be surprised what "they" have squirreled away in places like Los Alamos (the quote i recieved on LANL is "The Predator", as in the movie, is alive and well at Los Alamos"....take that however you feel you should and know it came from a "Power that be" individual who is a fellow Pegasus member).

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Yes he should. Even on murder charges from Katrina. But obama will ask him to be in his cabinet, watch.
Nagin needs to be held accountable for the events of the aftermath of Katrina. Every event. It is not Bush's fault, it is Nagin's fault.

Or maybe it is HAARP

HAARP is a very interesting topic. Check out this website:

http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/

NOTE: it is a .mil site for the Navy Research Lab...be warned that it will leave a footprint when you go in.

Here are some nice images, however, showing some of the wave patterns that HAARP emits:

http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/haarpbx2.gif

http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/haarpabsb.gif

http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/haarpabsbz6.gif

And then this report from Eastlund:

http://www.eastlundscience.com/HAARPWEATHER.html

with this slide of note (relating to Gravitational Waves...a major research hobby of mine):

http://www.eastlundscience.com/sitebuilder/images/Slide_16-539x435.jpg

[sparky-4]

IS BEING used.

Have you researched Schumann Resonance? Consider how easy it would be to encode some type of information on a Schumann Frequency within the Alpha frequency? It would easily be hidden within the known frequencies of the Earths "hearbeat" and use a carrier signal that is easily recieved by the brain.

Our government has been shown to not be above experimenting on its citizens.

No, i don't say we should get tin hat. But i DO say we should know what is possible. I have had a few contacts from "within". You would be surprised what "they" have squirreled away in places like Los Alamos (the quote i recieved on LANL is "The Predator", as in the movie, is alive and well at Los Alamos"....take that however you feel you should and know it came from a "Power that be" individual who is a fellow Pegasus member).

man, BFFT, that is some scary stuff to think about and I would not count it out as having some truth behind it

very interesting

[sparky-4]

back to the topic...

The BATFE come under fire(pardon the word play) a few months back when it was discovered that they ordered thousands of expensive Leatherman tools for their agents custom engraved with the catch phrase "ATF- Always think forfeiture " on them

1. what a waste of taxpayer money

2. What does it say when bureau heads want their agents to have in their mind to always be thinking of ways to take citizens private property? IS the government going bad, or has it in fact "gone" bad

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from the GOA website

Friday, June 6, 2008


Representative Bill Sali is introducing a bill to send a message to
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
(BATFE) that freedom still means something in this country.

As part of its Asset Forfeiture training program for agents, the
BATFE ordered 2,000 Leatherman tools inscribed with the words
"Always Think Forfeiture." The program urges agents to focus
on seizing private property.

Rep Sali believes the agency should be thinking 'Freedom,' not
'Forfeiture.' The Idaho Republican complained about the program
and recieved a letter from Acting ATF Director Michael Sullivan,
who apologized for the "confusion" over the issue.

While Rep. Sali appreciated the apology, he said that, "My
constituents deserve to know the truth about this marketing program,
which has been interpreted by many Idahoans as anti-gun and
anti-private property."

The agency halted distribution of the tools in the face of public
outcry, but "[t]he fact remains that the ATF thought it was OK to
think 'Always Think Forfeiture' instead of focusing on
protecting our constitutional rights," Sali said.

In a letter to his fellow Congressmen, Sali noted that "the inscription
raises serious concerns to law-abiding citizens as to the intent of an
ATF agent who is performing investigations, particularly with
respect to law-abiding gun owners."

Rep. Sali plans to introduce the 'Always Think Freedom' bill
sometime next week. The bill will prohibit the agency from
making purchases of tool kits "on which any reminder of
forfeiture appears."

Action: Please urge your Representative to become an original
cosponsor of the "Always Think Freedom Act."

You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Rep. the
pre-written e-mail message below.

google it if you want more info..

[SLAPSH0T]

i don't think our military would ever turn their guns on the citizens of the US.


Obviously I can't speak for the entire military, but I know I wouldn't....nor would anyone I know. It wouldn't be a lawful order anyway, unless of course it was a U.S. citizen in the act of domestic terrorism (you get my point). You don't have to worry about me anyway, something went horribly wrong if aircraft mechanics are carrying weapons! :D:D

[bigfatfurrytexan]

Obviously I can't speak for the entire military, but I know I wouldn't....nor would anyone I know. It wouldn't be a lawful order anyway, unless of course it was a U.S. citizen in the act of domestic terrorism (you get my point). You don't have to worry about me anyway, something went horribly wrong if aircraft mechanics are carrying weapons! :D:D

yeah, no kidding.

Unless you call one of those wrenches a weapon...and it could be.

[sparky-4]

slapper, I know how you feel and I would hope that all other military folks feel the same way about the civilian population.

unfortunately some men and women of 1st Brigade which will now be deployed on US soil for "domestic emergencies" and "crowd control" may have to make some tough decisions in the future:(

[Sicarri]

For those of us who appreciate the 2nd amendment.* Check this petition out.*
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http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition-sign.html
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or go to http://opencarry.org/*and check out the petition.
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Texas legislature wants to change the law, so sidearms do not have to be concealed.* Sign the petition to support this change.
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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...
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Forward this on to anyone else who might be interested.

[sparky-4]

For those of us who appreciate the 2nd amendment.* Check this petition out.*
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http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition-sign.html
*
or go to http://opencarry.org/*and check out the petition.
*
Texas legislature wants to change the law, so sidearms do not have to be concealed.* Sign the petition to support this change.
*
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away...
*
Forward this on to anyone else who might be interested.

done it!

I hope it passes:D

[bigfatfurrytexan]

i do, too. i don't carry a gun personally (don't even own a pistol). But i think it would be a good deterrent to some gang banger or crackhead if they saw 5 or 6 sidearms.

I think that cashiers should be allowed a sidearm, as well, while on the job.