Right on Target-Iraq Yellow cake

[vietnam combat vet]

The facts are undeniable, unless you are a Pres. Bush hater, that WMD were in the picture when we attacked Iraq in 2003. The enemy was there with the capacity to cause the USA great harm. Several administrations (both Democrat and Republican) recognized the danger and only President George W. Bush had the resolve to deal with the threat. Thank you, Mr. President, for putting the well being of America as top priority. God bless our military for their dedication to protecting the sometimes fickle American public. I salute you all!

[pills4everything]

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the
president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public.” — Theodore Roosevelt

OBAMA 2008

[sparkys4]

The facts are undeniable, unless you are a Pres. Bush hater, that WMD were in the picture when we attacked Iraq in 2003. The enemy was there with the capacity to cause the USA great harm. Several administrations (both Democrat and Republican) recognized the danger and only President George W. Bush had the resolve to deal with the threat. Thank you, Mr. President, for putting the well being of America as top priority. God bless our military for their dedication to protecting the sometimes fickle American public. I salute you all!

here is a link to a video where Bush admits that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM

here is a link showing he might have known more about 9-11 than you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&NR=1

[SLAPSHOT]

Geez, where's the mod when you really need him/her. Maybe they're too busy scrutinizing my posts. BTW, anyone else notice that this porn spammer has a post count and an accurate join date, but us forum "veterans" are left out in the cold? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[honda05]

Yeah, that burns me too, Slapper. I've reported him, but all the young kids and teens haven't had a chance to see this mess yet. Don't want anyone left out of being exposed to the filth. Their prime time TV shows are about the same, so there's no hurry to get that mess of here.

[SLAPSHOT]

Yeah, that burns me too, Slapper. I've reported him, but all the young kids and teens haven't had a chance to see this mess yet. Don't want anyone left out of being exposed to the filth. Their prime time TV shows are about the same, so there's no hurry to get that mess of here.

Yup. Also, all of us forum regulars are "guests", but this guy is a newbie. Also, look at the bottom of the site where it says "welcome our newest forum member, Megadream20". Ridiculous.

[honda05]

Ridiculous is right... and typical.

[sparkys4]

Wait... I'm sure that they have a ticket number on that at the help desk in a far away land that really runs this site.:D

[vietnam combat vet]

here is a link to a video where Bush admits that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM

here is a link showing he might have known more about 9-11 than you think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw&NR=1

Where did your comment about 9-11 come from? Read my post and take note: I didn't mention 9-11.
Also, the discussion about the danger and potential harm to America related to a country with whom we were at war!! As members of the Coalition Forces from Gulf War I, we were responding to daily attacks on our forces (all violations of the cease-fire from GWI) with the potential of devestating damage to the US by Iraq using WMD. We just finished what Saddam had started in Kuwait.

[SLAPSHOT 1]

Where did your comment about 9-11 come from? Read my post and take note: I didn't mention 9-11.

I think he was probably responding to your statement "Thank you, Mr. President, for putting the well being of America as top priority." The argument being that if President Bush did indeed know about 9/11, then America certainly wasn't a priority. I don't buy the conspiracy theories, but the people who do buy into them are steadfast.

[just me]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp


I am sorry, but if this can happen, WMD can have the same fate. Iraq was NOT in vein. Sure things could have been handled differently in many areas, but the war was just. I am very proud of every man and woman in Iraq, all over the world in our great military. I would not want to live in any other nation or have any other military protect me and my family from 911 ever happening again.

[sparky-4]

Where did your comment about 9-11 come from? Read my post and take note: I didn't mention 9-11.
Also, the discussion about the danger and potential harm to America related to a country with whom we were at war!! As members of the Coalition Forces from Gulf War I, we were responding to daily attacks on our forces (all violations of the cease-fire from GWI) with the potential of devestating damage to the US by Iraq using WMD. We just finished what Saddam had started in Kuwait.

the war was sold to us from fear mongering that if we didn't attack Iraq, the he had capability and intent to bring another 9-11 to us.
Anybody who says that 9-11 wasn't in the minds of the people who made the decision to go there or used to sell the war to the citizens of this country is foolish to think so.

Either way, Iraq has worked out great for us... right?

We are so much better off when we overthrow dictators, bomb the crap out of the country and then pay to build it all back, better than before and install our own style of government just because we can.

I don't think we are called to be nation builders, but it has broke this country.
Our money is junk and we are in debt so bad we will never repay it.
Like Ron Paul said during the debates.

We borrowed 10 billion from China to give it to another dictator in Pakistan to help us defeat another dictator in Iraq and Pakistan spent most of the money we borrow from China to buy Chinese weapons.

Who the smart ones here?


The Constitution..read it some time.

[just me]

if Saddam is innocent, why was he found guilty and put to death?

[SLAPSHOT 1]

God bless our military for their dedication to protecting the sometimes fickle American public. I salute you all!

I am very proud of every man and woman in Iraq, all over the world in our great military. I would not want to live in any other nation or have any other military protect me and my family from 911 ever happening again.

Thank you for your comments, we really appreciate your support. One thing I have noticed (especailly here in Abilene) is that whether you're for or against the war or whether you like/dislike the current administration, the overwhelming majority of folks support those of us who have to put boots in the sand over there. We notice that, and we sure do appreciate it.

[sparky-4]

if Saddam is innocent, why was he found guilty and put to death?

Nobody said he was innocent, but if finding saddam guilty and putting him to death was the reason for going there we could have done it for less than 4000 lives and 1/2 a trillion dollars

[just me]

getting rid of Saddam was just one good thing that happened. Has anyone seen that email going around about obama in the middle east, not even shaking the hands of our troops or thanking them for risking their lives or smiling at them, just getting off and on the plane like our troops were non existent? if anyone has seen that, does anyone know if it is true?

[sparky-4]

I think everything that man does is fake:D

because HE is a fake;)

[honda05]

They couldn't nominate the devil as he's an evil spirit, so they got the next worst thing.

[vietnam combat vet]

I think he was probably responding to your statement "Thank you, Mr. President, for putting the well being of America as top priority." The argument being that if President Bush did indeed know about 9/11, then America certainly wasn't a priority. I don't buy the conspiracy theories, but the people who do buy into them are steadfast.

Thanks for the clarification. It is easy, in the heat of a discussion, to conjure up facticious ideas. I think his comment fits the bill.

[vietnam combat vet]

the war was sold to us from fear mongering that if we didn't attack Iraq, the he had capability and intent to bring another 9-11 to us.
Anybody who says that 9-11 wasn't in the minds of the people who made the decision to go there or used to sell the war to the citizens of this country is foolish to think so.

Either way, Iraq has worked out great for us... right?

We are so much better off when we overthrow dictators, bomb the crap out of the country and then pay to build it all back, better than before and install our own style of government just because we can.

I don't think we are called to be nation builders, but it has broke this country.
Our money is junk and we are in debt so bad we will never repay it.
Like Ron Paul said during the debates.

We borrowed 10 billion from China to give it to another dictator in Pakistan to help us defeat another dictator in Iraq and Pakistan spent most of the money we borrow from China to buy Chinese weapons.

Who the smart ones here?


The Constitution..read it some time.

Let me see, Germany, Japan, Eastern Europe, France, Belgium, Spain, Norway, Italy, etc, etc. We are not called to be nation builders, huh?
We borrow from China/England(the largest holder of American debt), Canada to pay for $1.24 billion annually in social welfare programs! That is where the cost are!

[sparky-4]

I know what you are saying about those countries in WWII, vietnam combat vet, but it still don't make it right.
Our involvement in WWII was justified and warranted.
Saving those Europeans hind ends should have been enough for them to be thankful to the USA from now on without rebuilding half of their country.
My gosh, look what we did for Japan after we bombed them.

I like what Ron Paul said about our involvement in word affairs

friendly relations with other nations and entangling alliances with none

[vietnam combat vet]

I know what you are saying about those countries in WWII, vietnam combat vet, but it still don't make it right.
Our involvement in WWII was justified and warranted.
Saving those Europeans hind ends should have been enough for them to be thankful to the USA from now on without rebuilding half of their country.
My gosh, look what we did for Japan after we bombed them.

I like what Ron Paul said about our involvement in word affairs

I see you got my point about nation building. We all just keep in mind that "justification" for a war is of no importance except where it comes to the US national interest. If it is in the interest of the security of our nation, I am convinced we should take action. If it is not, don't do anything. Only the President has the constitutional authority for protection of our national security. The US Congress can only declare war, not employ/deploy the forces. This has been a long standing debate between the legislative and executive branches. How it will turn out depends upon the American people. I like Ron Paul, I just disagree with many of his domestic and foriegn policies.

[sparky-4]

.........Only the President has the constitutional authority for protection of our national security. The US Congress can only declare war, not employ/deploy the forces......

The Constitution delegates to Congress the powers "to raise and support Armies" and "to provide and maintain a Navy".

The president would have no Army to send if the Congress didn't raise and support one to begin with. That is the brilliance of separation of powers

within the Constitution, the power to declare war resides in the Congress and not the presidency. Read it.. it's in there!;)

Since WWII, Congresses and many presidents have ignored the Constitution several times

In 2002 Congress basically told Bush to do as he pleases

"Congress decides on overall military strategy. That is their constitutional duty. The president is the commander in chief of the military — and only the military. He is not commander over Congress, nor is he commander over the people of the United States."


"Congressional leaders have neglected to remind the nation what the Constitution says. They have allowed the president to reframe the Constitution, usurping their power for himself. The Framers framed it right. The Congress irresponsibly let the president reframe the Constitution."

in addition have you read any of the Executive Orders the last couple of presidents has signed into "Law"?

this one will knock your socks off NSD-51 (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825)

Clinton also signed into law some very scary Executive orders which grants the President's Office almost unlimited power without consent of Congress or Court oversight.

The Constitution at this point is just about out the window. God forbid if we ever have another 9-11 type attack it might mean martial law and full government control of your daily life.

[SLAPSHOT 1]

full government control of your daily life.

I already have that! :D I volunteered for/enjoy it though. :)

[sparky-4]

I already have that! :D I volunteered for/enjoy it though. :)

Slapper... you know I meant for civilians:D

[sparky-4]

I hope some of you aren't mis-understanding where I am coming from in my views.

I am NOT anti-War
I am Not anti-military
I am NOT anti-government
I am NOT a social, fiscal or environmental liberal by any means

I did vote for the Republican candidate in every presidential election since I have been able to vote and thats 25 years
I was inspired by Ron Paul and although I don't personally like his views on somethings, he is and was the most Constitutionally Correct candidate we have seen since Barry Goldwater

They have told me to vote Republican if I wanted lower taxes and less government involvement in my life

hogwash! There is so little difference between the two major parties now, they are both the same to me and until more people get fed up and quit supporting the status quo that is how it will be.

I used to be a big fan of GW Bush and the Republican Congress, he and they had the chance to really change the country back from the Clinton years and turn back the clock on liberalism, but neither of them had the guts to do it.

Instead, they hid behind the tragedy of 9-11 and took personal freedoms and liberties and grew the federal government by billions of dollars

[SLAPSHOT 1]

Slapper... you know I meant for civilians:D

I know, I was just playin'. :D

[SLAPSHOT 1]

I hope some of you aren't mis-understanding where I am coming from in my views.

I am NOT anti-War
I am Not anti-military
I am NOT anti-government
I am NOT a social, fiscal or environmental liberal by any means

I did vote for the Republican candidate in every presidential election since I have been able to vote and thats 25 years
I was inspired by Ron Paul and although I don't personally like his views on somethings, he is and was the most Constitutionally Correct candidate we have seen since Barry Goldwater

I smell what you're cookin' Sparky, and ditto on Ron Paul. There's no one that I 100% agree with, but my percentage of agreement is highest with Ron Paul, so that's who I support (even if it's in vain).

[vietnam combat vet]

I hope some of you aren't mis-understanding where I am coming from in my views.

I am NOT anti-War
I am Not anti-military
I am NOT anti-government
I am NOT a social, fiscal or environmental liberal by any means

I did vote for the Republican candidate in every presidential election since I have been able to vote and thats 25 years
I was inspired by Ron Paul and although I don't personally like his views on somethings, he is and was the most Constitutionally Correct candidate we have seen since Barry Goldwater

They have told me to vote Republican if I wanted lower taxes and less government involvement in my life



I know how you feel about Pres. Bush and the Repub congress (while they had it)! They lost their conservative ideals and folded to compromise and "inside the beltway" thinking. They blew it! But now we are facing a Marxist, liberal Democrat political hack vs. a warrior, "loose cannon" Republican. I can live with John McCain but the alternative is to close to happening if the 3rd parties siphon off enough votes. No one said life was easy and in my mind, this is one of those times when life ain't easy!

hogwash! There is so little difference between the two major parties now, they are both the same to me and until more people get fed up and quit supporting the status quo that is how it will be.

I used to be a big fan of GW Bush and the Republican Congress, he and they had the chance to really change the country back from the Clinton years and turn back the clock on liberalism, but neither of them had the guts to do it.

Instead, they hid behind the tragedy of 9-11 and took personal freedoms and liberties and grew the federal government by billions of dollars

I know how you feel about Pres. Bush and the Repub congress (while they had it)! They lost their conservative ideals and folded to compromise and "inside the beltway" thinking. They blew it! But now we are facing a Marxist, liberal Democrat political hack vs. a warrior, "loose cannon" Republican. I can live with John McCain but the alternative is too close to happening if the 3rd parties or non voters siphon off enough votes. No one said life was easy and in my mind, this is one of those times when life ain't easy!